1 00:01:12,350 --> 00:00:29,689 foreign 2 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,030 did you see it 3 00:01:20,810 --> 00:01:18,890 you haven't seen the images that are on 4 00:01:24,410 --> 00:01:20,820 the video 5 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:24,420 no I only told my father but he didn't 6 00:01:31,370 --> 00:01:28,140 believe me he even started laughing 7 00:01:34,490 --> 00:01:31,380 okay telling me that it wasn't true but 8 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:34,500 when you came I said you see that it was 9 00:01:38,749 --> 00:01:35,700 true 10 00:01:41,830 --> 00:01:38,759 he said yes I see that they are 11 00:01:46,550 --> 00:01:44,870 a restaurateur whose business is in 12 00:01:51,010 --> 00:01:46,560 front of the building where the abnormal 13 00:01:53,990 --> 00:01:51,020 aircraft showed was also a witness 14 00:01:56,749 --> 00:01:54,000 suddenly in those buildings I saw 15 00:01:59,149 --> 00:01:56,759 something that moved so I looked more 16 00:02:01,969 --> 00:01:59,159 closely and I understood that there was 17 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:01,979 something that was flying above them you 18 00:02:07,249 --> 00:02:04,320 could see a type of plate that was 19 00:02:09,529 --> 00:02:07,259 floating in the air and moving in an 20 00:02:13,449 --> 00:02:09,539 abnormal way in respect to any 21 00:02:18,110 --> 00:02:16,070 another interesting testimony that 22 00:02:21,410 --> 00:02:18,120 supports the authenticity of the Las 23 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:21,420 Lomas event was provided by a girl who 24 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:23,459 was in one of the buildings above which 25 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:25,980 the probable extraterrestrial object was 26 00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:28,739 hovering having seen the Mao San program 27 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:31,680 about the Las Lomas UFO she describes 28 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:34,080 the phenomena that was not spoken about 29 00:02:45,589 --> 00:02:42,770 on the day of the 6th of August I was 30 00:02:49,009 --> 00:02:45,599 doing some University work I was taking 31 00:02:50,809 --> 00:02:49,019 some photos at a certain point I saw a 32 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:50,819 very strange shadow 33 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:53,160 in that moment they turned towards the 34 00:03:00,290 --> 00:02:57,060 sky and I saw a very dense solid cloud 35 00:03:03,430 --> 00:03:00,300 I thought that it couldn't be a cloud it 36 00:03:05,930 --> 00:03:03,440 seemed to be falling from the sky 37 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:05,940 I didn't understand what was happening 38 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:10,019 then I realized that it was a UFO 39 00:03:15,170 --> 00:03:13,500 I saw that it was solid and Sean it 40 00:03:16,089 --> 00:03:15,180 didn't have lights but it was very 41 00:03:19,009 --> 00:03:16,099 bright 42 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:19,019 it was suspended but at the same time 43 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:21,360 you could see that it was turning very 44 00:03:26,930 --> 00:03:24,120 quickly so quickly that you couldn't 45 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:26,940 really see it rotating but you could 46 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:28,680 feel it in the air 47 00:03:34,970 --> 00:03:32,340 from all it emitted you could feel that 48 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:34,980 it turned you heard a sound like a 49 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:39,599 ghastly yes constant and also as if it 50 00:03:44,630 --> 00:03:42,720 were oscillating in that moment I 51 00:03:48,589 --> 00:03:44,640 noticed that all the pets and animals 52 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:48,599 were as if mad the dogs the cats running 53 00:03:54,649 --> 00:03:51,360 from one part to another I was 54 00:03:57,649 --> 00:03:54,659 frightened the dogs Behavior made me 55 00:03:58,509 --> 00:03:57,659 react and I thought that I should take a 56 00:04:01,250 --> 00:03:58,519 photo 57 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,260 I tried to get my camera but as there 58 00:04:06,410 --> 00:04:03,360 was a lot of confusion I didn't find it 59 00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:06,420 straight away when I got it I turned to 60 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:09,599 take a photo I saw only a light that was 61 00:04:14,750 --> 00:04:12,540 going away very fast 62 00:04:18,770 --> 00:04:14,760 wish its shape anymore it was more it 63 00:04:24,650 --> 00:04:20,890 strong 64 00:04:27,170 --> 00:04:24,660 I was wearing a short sleeve top and 65 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:27,180 when I looked in the mirror I had lines 66 00:04:31,980 --> 00:04:30,479 as if I had got a tan whilst wearing the 67 00:04:34,370 --> 00:04:31,990 top 68 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:34,380 [Music] 69 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:36,540 in the course of the research conducted 70 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:39,720 by Jaime mausan and his team other 71 00:04:43,790 --> 00:04:41,699 Witnesses came forward who have 72 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:43,800 confirmed the Declarations by the 73 00:04:49,249 --> 00:04:46,320 witnesses that we have heard and the 74 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:49,259 case of Las Lomas is credited with ever 75 00:04:52,969 --> 00:04:51,960 more validity and proof in the face of 76 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:52,979 criticism 77 00:04:57,770 --> 00:04:55,440 making it amongst the most extraordinary 78 00:04:59,270 --> 00:04:57,780 cases of confirmation of the real 79 00:05:03,170 --> 00:04:59,280 prisons of extraterrestrial 80 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:03,180 civilizations on our planet 81 00:05:06,469 --> 00:05:04,440 so 82 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:06,479 I've tested 83 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:09,300 the image for its stability about 84 00:05:16,129 --> 00:05:11,220 whether it could be connected with a 85 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:16,139 string or not and I am very certain that 86 00:05:21,409 --> 00:05:19,860 there is no string that's connected that 87 00:05:24,770 --> 00:05:21,419 it's moving on 88 00:05:27,529 --> 00:05:24,780 that it's not like that that there's no 89 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:27,539 evidence that it's a fake and it's not 90 00:05:31,909 --> 00:05:29,460 possible physically for a balloon to 91 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:31,919 move in the way the object moves the 92 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:33,900 object is standing on an invisible 93 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:36,720 column of force of some kind that holds 94 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:39,360 it up off the ground this is why as it 95 00:05:43,490 --> 00:05:41,460 moves across the top of the building it 96 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:43,500 tilts back and forth it's moving the 97 00:05:49,129 --> 00:05:46,020 force field along to crawl forward on 98 00:05:52,129 --> 00:05:49,139 balance I'm quite sure that this video 99 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:52,139 is authentic the internet is apart from 100 00:05:58,430 --> 00:05:54,960 anything else an extraordinary method of 101 00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:58,440 information diffusion but it can also be 102 00:06:02,390 --> 00:06:00,000 a very valid instrument of 103 00:06:04,909 --> 00:06:02,400 misinformation and discredit in the 104 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:04,919 hands of those that wish to disavow and 105 00:06:10,909 --> 00:06:07,979 ridicule this very important phenomenon 106 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:10,919 it is necessary therefore to have great 107 00:06:16,909 --> 00:06:13,680 responsibility and discernment when 108 00:06:19,189 --> 00:06:16,919 considering certain items an example is 109 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:19,199 the case of a self-styled unknown 110 00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:22,080 American researcher called Liz Edwards 111 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:25,500 who with a hazarded theory makes out to 112 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:27,600 have found a method in which according 113 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:30,300 to her you could falsify the videos of 114 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:33,840 Las Lomas even at home the accusation is 115 00:06:38,990 --> 00:06:36,720 made based on only a few photos of a 116 00:06:41,210 --> 00:06:39,000 very low resolution taken from the 117 00:06:43,249 --> 00:06:41,220 internet and without presenting any 118 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:43,259 valid proof of the quality of obtainable 119 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:45,419 results with her method through the 120 00:06:50,749 --> 00:06:47,460 explanations released by The Professor 121 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:50,759 quesada we can get a clearer idea of 122 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:52,080 what is required to carry out 123 00:06:58,189 --> 00:06:54,960 significant and thought out research on 124 00:07:00,290 --> 00:06:58,199 any case to be examined up until now 125 00:07:02,809 --> 00:07:00,300 this is one of the best films that I 126 00:07:05,809 --> 00:07:02,819 have ever analyzed and it is satisfying 127 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:05,819 all the tests run based upon which I can 128 00:07:10,610 --> 00:07:07,979 find no evidence 129 00:07:12,830 --> 00:07:10,620 people can say about an image they have 130 00:07:15,409 --> 00:07:12,840 seen on television is one thing it is 131 00:07:17,510 --> 00:07:15,419 quite another to work see the area and 132 00:07:20,270 --> 00:07:17,520 be in the city where the fact has taken 133 00:07:22,189 --> 00:07:20,280 place speaking of what Edwards has 134 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:22,199 proposed would it technically be 135 00:07:26,150 --> 00:07:24,840 possible or is it really a hazarded 136 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:26,160 hypothesis 137 00:07:31,249 --> 00:07:28,440 I would like to see the video made by 138 00:07:33,189 --> 00:07:31,259 her in that way and let it undergo the 139 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:33,199 same analysis that we are carrying out 140 00:07:38,809 --> 00:07:36,300 we want to work thoroughly we must work 141 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:38,819 at the source or as near as possible to 142 00:07:44,870 --> 00:07:41,520 the original possibly with a video that 143 00:07:46,909 --> 00:07:44,880 is not shown via internet because these 144 00:07:49,550 --> 00:07:46,919 are made up of photos of very low 145 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:49,560 quality then they are also compressed to 146 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:52,340 reduce the space they can occupy 147 00:07:56,870 --> 00:07:54,840 that means that we can't carry out 148 00:07:59,689 --> 00:07:56,880 serious investigations sat behind a desk 149 00:08:02,930 --> 00:07:59,699 I think that sometimes the research sat 150 00:08:05,210 --> 00:08:02,940 behind a desk is to deceive oneself a 151 00:08:06,129 --> 00:08:05,220 true and serious investigator to have 152 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:06,139 information 153 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:08,880 analyzes all the evidence and sources 154 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:11,520 that he possesses 155 00:08:15,770 --> 00:08:14,130 foreign 156 00:08:18,170 --> 00:08:15,780 [Music] 157 00:08:20,809 --> 00:08:18,180 the exceptional nature of the Las Lomas 158 00:08:23,089 --> 00:08:20,819 object is lastly proven by submitting 159 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:23,099 the video image to the action of 160 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:26,099 ultraviolet and infrared filters 161 00:08:31,969 --> 00:08:28,460 in one of these tests the object 162 00:08:35,089 --> 00:08:31,979 disappears momentarily from the screen 163 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:35,099 in this way manifesting incomprehensible 164 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:37,320 properties based on current scientific 165 00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:40,860 knowledge what we can see here is very 166 00:08:46,010 --> 00:08:43,320 interesting with this filter the object 167 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:46,020 can no longer be seen the only thing 168 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:48,360 that we are able to see are the points 169 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:51,300 of Luminosity that it has in front and 170 00:08:56,389 --> 00:08:54,180 behind here our visual spectrum is 171 00:09:00,530 --> 00:08:56,399 voided and the only thing that you can 172 00:09:02,449 --> 00:09:00,540 see is where the object emits light if 173 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:02,459 this video were to have been a sequence 174 00:09:06,889 --> 00:09:05,040 of computer data it would have remained 175 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:06,899 more constant it would not be very 176 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:09,420 simple to make these variations one 177 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:12,420 eyewitness to the August 6 1997 saucer 178 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:14,880 was 13 year old Cassandra can you show 179 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:16,320 me where you were standing when you saw 180 00:09:26,889 --> 00:09:25,730 it was in the middle of those two 181 00:09:33,009 --> 00:09:26,899 buildings 182 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:33,019 I was scared was it wobbling floating 183 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:37,380 at first it was still but was wobbling 184 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:39,660 then after it balanced it shot out 185 00:09:43,690 --> 00:09:41,940 toward the corner of the buildings and 186 00:09:46,490 --> 00:09:43,700 then it disappeared 187 00:09:47,810 --> 00:09:46,500 as our interview progressed Cassandra 188 00:09:49,430 --> 00:09:47,820 told us that the object had been 189 00:09:51,710 --> 00:09:49,440 spinning and that she thought she saw 190 00:09:53,269 --> 00:09:51,720 Windows she also revealed that right 191 00:09:55,730 --> 00:09:53,279 after the sighting she told her father 192 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:55,740 about the UFO but he had not believed 193 00:10:00,350 --> 00:09:56,940 her 194 00:10:01,910 --> 00:10:00,360 had you seen the video yet no have you 195 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:01,920 seen it since 196 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:04,080 is that what you saw 197 00:10:09,110 --> 00:10:06,480 don't you think that if there were a 198 00:10:11,449 --> 00:10:09,120 craft that large hovering over that 199 00:10:12,769 --> 00:10:11,459 building that more than 12 people would 200 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:12,779 have come out and said they had seen it 201 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:15,060 we have found 12 Witnesses 202 00:10:19,970 --> 00:10:17,640 if we could if we want to look for more 203 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:19,980 we could find more 204 00:10:24,350 --> 00:10:22,740 we continued to look we questioned those 205 00:10:26,509 --> 00:10:24,360 familiar with the area where the saucer 206 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:26,519 had apparently been taped we looked from 207 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:28,380 every possible point of view 208 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:30,000 we heard that there had been a sighting 209 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:32,160 about a mile North in the wealthy suburb 210 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:34,800 of Boss case Los Lomas there we met 211 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:37,380 Annie lask a young woman who had been on 212 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:40,080 the roof of her house on August 6th and 213 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:42,360 she told us the saucer in the video had 214 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:45,000 hovered directly over her 215 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:47,640 and how high above you was it like 20 216 00:10:53,329 --> 00:10:50,399 meters the outer rim was spinning really 217 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:53,339 fast and the hissing when I realized 218 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:55,380 there was this weird thing on top of my 219 00:10:59,389 --> 00:10:57,600 head I want to take a picture and I 220 00:11:01,970 --> 00:10:59,399 turned to take the picture I turned up 221 00:11:05,449 --> 00:11:01,980 and it wasn't there and but there was 222 00:11:08,509 --> 00:11:05,459 like this Miss like purple mist or maybe 223 00:11:11,290 --> 00:11:08,519 Haze after the saucer left her standing 224 00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:11,300 in a purple staticky Haze 225 00:11:15,949 --> 00:11:13,500 Annie lask does not remember getting 226 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:15,959 down from the roof since that they had 227 00:11:21,530 --> 00:11:18,360 constant headaches like every day like 228 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:21,540 really strong headaches my eyes burned 229 00:11:26,449 --> 00:11:24,660 so bad they spilled it yes 230 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:26,459 since that day 231 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:28,200 we've done a site survey in this 232 00:11:32,449 --> 00:11:30,300 exclusive neighborhood and believed that 233 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:32,459 building is where the infamous videotape 234 00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:35,160 was shot a building that denied us 235 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:36,320 access 236 00:11:41,750 --> 00:11:39,120 Jaime in his investigative team had been 237 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:41,760 here before but today as we approached 238 00:11:44,990 --> 00:11:43,860 again we couldn't be sure of what we 239 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:45,000 might encounter 240 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:48,959 we were kicked out I mean aggressively I 241 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:49,980 felt that 242 00:11:59,509 --> 00:11:57,650 on this day we weren't kicked out we 243 00:12:01,190 --> 00:11:59,519 were locked down and inquiries about 244 00:12:02,630 --> 00:12:01,200 what business was being conducted in 245 00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:02,640 this unmarked office building went 246 00:12:07,130 --> 00:12:04,920 unanswered we attempted to interview 247 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:07,140 people in the two condos so prominent in 248 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:09,420 the saucer video The Exclusive complexes 249 00:12:13,250 --> 00:12:11,640 were like fortresses at one we were 250 00:12:15,350 --> 00:12:13,260 kicked out and the other we were 251 00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:15,360 squirted out so we were forced to turn 252 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:17,700 from investigating who had seen it to 253 00:12:22,009 --> 00:12:19,920 what it was 254 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:22,019 Allison Holloway interviewed David 255 00:12:26,090 --> 00:12:24,360 Froning who is a propulsion engineer and 256 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:26,100 30-year veteran of McDonnell Douglas 257 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:28,500 what's your best guess 258 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:30,720 what this is 259 00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:33,360 intelligently controlled craft 260 00:12:36,650 --> 00:12:35,040 it looks like it's 261 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:36,660 it's being propelled by what we call 262 00:12:40,730 --> 00:12:38,640 field propulsion 263 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:40,740 a propulsion or a mode of impulsion 264 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:42,420 which we ourselves have not fully 265 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:45,600 developed yet this country has built 266 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:47,820 of vehicles that are lenticular and 267 00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:49,440 shaved just like that 268 00:12:54,410 --> 00:12:51,720 they're driven by high performance gas 269 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:54,420 turbine engines that could kind of fly 270 00:12:59,210 --> 00:12:56,519 around the sky just like this did 271 00:13:00,889 --> 00:12:59,220 uh so you're telling me that we have 272 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:00,899 something in existence like this already 273 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:02,820 that looks what like it looks like that 274 00:13:06,110 --> 00:13:04,800 it wobbles like that right but it makes 275 00:13:08,829 --> 00:13:06,120 a lot of noise 276 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:08,839 but we don't have anything that's silent 277 00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:11,100 when I sat down here and you said look 278 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:12,720 at this tape the first thing you said to 279 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:15,000 me was look how close it is to the 280 00:13:19,550 --> 00:13:16,980 ground and you didn't think it meant to 281 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,560 be that that low to the ground tell me 282 00:13:23,329 --> 00:13:21,600 about that well they just it's just an 283 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:23,339 intuition that I got the feeling that 284 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:25,620 for a short interval of time the craft 285 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:28,200 was actually slightly out of control in 286 00:13:31,009 --> 00:13:29,279 fact that might have been the reason 287 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:31,019 that it had to drift so close to the 288 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:33,720 ground the wobble that it's making 289 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:36,000 drawing on all your experience does it 290 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:37,860 look to you like it it's out of control 291 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:41,100 well the wobble at on the onset looks 292 00:13:48,530 --> 00:13:45,540 like a objects suspended by a string but 293 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:48,540 then when you test it it's not that 294 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:52,860 also many other videos of UFOs wobble 295 00:13:57,290 --> 00:13:55,200 like that and what if it wasn't a real 296 00:13:59,150 --> 00:13:57,300 craft at all what if the whole thing was 297 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,160 a special effects trick created in an 298 00:14:03,470 --> 00:14:01,680 editing room or on a computer we took 299 00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,480 the footage to Ray raymondi and Fred 300 00:14:06,829 --> 00:14:05,519 giara Tana who are special effects 301 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:06,839 supervisors at the award-winning 302 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:08,760 commercial division of digital domain 303 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:10,920 the company responsible for the special 304 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:13,740 effects in the movie Titanic 305 00:14:17,389 --> 00:14:15,180 Fred 306 00:14:20,569 --> 00:14:17,399 smoking Gunner hoax 307 00:14:23,810 --> 00:14:20,579 definitely Smoking Gun 308 00:14:26,690 --> 00:14:23,820 why the glint in your eye because I'm 309 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:26,700 very excited to see this it's uh to me 310 00:14:31,069 --> 00:14:28,740 it's the most compelling footage of that 311 00:14:32,690 --> 00:14:31,079 I've seen this is this is this might be 312 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:32,700 the one that we've been waiting for 313 00:14:38,449 --> 00:14:35,880 right Smoking Gun or hoax really good 314 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:38,459 a hoax in which there was physically a 315 00:14:42,170 --> 00:14:40,380 craft over this apartment building or a 316 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:42,180 hoax that was done in a computer 317 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:44,220 generated lab such as this right from 318 00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:46,199 what we've been able to look at it looks 319 00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:46,980 like 320 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:50,639 either it was done amazingly well from a 321 00:14:55,790 --> 00:14:52,860 CG point of view like in a computer 322 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:55,800 effects place or something like that but 323 00:14:58,610 --> 00:14:57,240 I don't really believe it there's just 324 00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:58,620 too many things that make it look like 325 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:00,959 it was really really there it was 326 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:03,600 photographed in the camera I mean it 327 00:15:05,150 --> 00:15:04,440 wasn't 328 00:15:07,730 --> 00:15:05,160 um 329 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:07,740 acted afterward like for instance when 330 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:10,260 it goes behind the building the the way 331 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:12,120 the edge breaks apart is kind of 332 00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:15,300 consistent with the way video consumer 333 00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:16,920 cameras just kind of break up on those 334 00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:18,480 edges all right so we're on the wide 335 00:15:20,990 --> 00:15:19,860 shot if you can pull that back just a 336 00:15:23,329 --> 00:15:21,000 little bit 337 00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:23,339 we're on a wide shot right here and you 338 00:15:27,410 --> 00:15:25,620 can see a little figure up here to the 339 00:15:29,689 --> 00:15:27,420 left of this apartment 340 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:29,699 then if you let it roll and as it goes 341 00:15:33,769 --> 00:15:31,560 that figure you zoom in and the figure 342 00:15:35,329 --> 00:15:33,779 gets bigger right that's a difficult 343 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,339 effect to do yeah the first thing we 344 00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:36,959 noticed was just that if it was done as 345 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:38,760 an effect it was done seamlessly because 346 00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:43,260 the zoom part is it's natural the hand 347 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:46,199 holding of the camera is all natural and 348 00:15:51,889 --> 00:15:49,199 whatever that is stays exactly with it 349 00:15:53,569 --> 00:15:51,899 perfectly how was it done my theory in 350 00:15:56,449 --> 00:15:53,579 looking at it is it looks like it's 351 00:15:57,650 --> 00:15:56,459 being suspended from something above 352 00:16:00,889 --> 00:15:57,660 like 353 00:16:03,050 --> 00:16:00,899 helicopter it's so far away and hazy 354 00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:03,060 that if there was a cable there you 355 00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:05,220 wouldn't see it am I correct in hearing 356 00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:08,880 that you both agree this did exist over 357 00:16:14,810 --> 00:16:11,699 these buildings on that day when these 358 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:14,820 pictures were shot more than once you 359 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:18,600 disagree whether it's a man-made hoax 360 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,500 or a real deal craft of some sort 361 00:16:26,329 --> 00:16:24,240 how hard would it be to create a 362 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:26,339 believable hoax with a home video camera 363 00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:28,440 and their effect computer Fred and Ray 364 00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:30,839 made this on a coffee break 365 00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:33,300 what you're seeing here this pie plate 366 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:34,560 in the sky 367 00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,380 um we did literally a half an hour if 368 00:16:41,689 --> 00:16:40,079 this were for a commercial client or a 369 00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:41,699 motion picture client we would have 370 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:43,740 spent maybe a week with this shot it 371 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:45,300 would have been 372 00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:47,880 you would leave it as much as you 373 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:49,759 believe 374 00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:52,680 we're doing this on a this is a million 375 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:54,899 dollar visual effects system here this 376 00:16:59,210 --> 00:16:56,699 is the best this is the best this is 377 00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:59,220 Cadillac right here so it doesn't come 378 00:17:03,410 --> 00:17:00,720 any better than this but it's not the 379 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:03,420 only one in the world no and and I know 380 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:05,699 there's a few in Mexico it was a misty 381 00:17:10,669 --> 00:17:08,579 day who knows what all the mechanisms 382 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,679 are available for stealth and cloaking 383 00:17:15,850 --> 00:17:12,480 of these kinds of ships 384 00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:15,860 what if the pilots of this ship 385 00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:18,720 realized when the person shooting the 386 00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:22,919 video had them locked on holy smokes 387 00:17:27,289 --> 00:17:25,559 somebody can see us now and they revved 388 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,299 up their engines 389 00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:29,280 got out of there 390 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:31,919 in the shadow World between UFO black 391 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:34,740 project and hoax there are no absolute 392 00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:37,020 truths we may never know if the real 393 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:39,660 danger is imaginary coming from our own 394 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:42,720 government or most chilling of all 395 00:17:46,730 --> 00:17:45,070 coming from the Stars